It’s just so logical…

Sunday, December 25th, 2011

Many, many muslims have been convinced about the truths of Jesus, that He is the son of God. I have a very good friend I could put you in contact with who could help you with this question as he has worked with many muslims.

Now addressing this: do you think that something that cannot be explained or disproved by science automatically becomes the evidence of god? As I have already said, I believe that science points TO the existence of God. Everything in science points to the existence of a creator. Science is far too complex NOT to have a Grand Designer behind it. As I have said, we humans are simply discovering what is already in existence, and logically, there has to be the ultimate “existence giver” for there to be any existence at all. It’s just so logical,  and the issue is with someone taking that final logical step.

Source of Meaning

Sunday, December 25th, 2011

You continue to ask for “evidence”….there is plenty of it, and I’ve been giving you evidence throughout this discussion, but you do not want to accept it as legitimate evidence because it doesn’t “fit” your perspective or your world-view. Instead of coming at what I’ve presented to you as “maybe this has validity”, you have approached it all, it appears, as “nothing you say has any validity at all”. I’m not faulting you for this because this is the human condition apart from a relationship with God. I assume you have not spent much or any time with true believers in Jesus, nor have you seriously sought out God and sought answers from Him. Yet, you have sought out answers from the “gods” of this world, the scientific minds who start from their own premises. That’s fine, but when you start from a certain world-view and premise and are looking for everything to “fit” into that perspective rather than expanding it to a wider premise, then you will get what you seek…the limited view that we are completely meaningless, the world is meaningless, our existence in the universe is meaningless, everything we do is meaningless, and we are simply blobs of matter with zero meaning in a completely meaningless universe. That, my friend, is the ultimate end of the world-view you adhere to, whether you want to accept it or not. However, you DO have meaning in your life. You say that YOU create that meaning and that man has created that meaning….but logically, if that is true, then there must be an ultimate “MEANING GIVER”…or SOURCE OF MEANING. And because we are intelligent creatures, capable of incredible discovery, that Source of Meaning must also be the Source of Intelligence. I don’t know how to make the argument any clearer on a level that makes logical sense…this is science aside, and purely logic working here to, as you want, “prove” God’s existence. I know your question is why the Christian god and not other gods. I’ve already answered that: all other religions, if you study them, have at the heart of them a list of “dos and don’ts” and are attempts to please some god or gods. The faith espoused in the Bible, especially in the New Testament, is utterly different, not only in its premise, but also in its “fruit”. In addition, there are hundreds of prophesies in both the Old and New Testaments which have unfolded on the earth and which are coming to pass even today. Can I list them all for you here? No, but again, there are books written to this end.

Religion is essentially man’s way of trying to reach God

Sunday, December 25th, 2011

I too have really enjoyed this. I am and will continue to pray for you, that you will be willing to be open to things spiritual; but also that God will continue to reveal Himself to you in ways you are able to understand. Oh, one more thought regarding my faith being the “right” one. Religion is essentially man’s way of trying to reach God…and most religions are based on what are called “works”…you do this and you get this from god. My faith is the exact opposite: I cannot do anything to earn anything from God, and I don’t have to because He has done it all in the person of Jesus. His grace (unmerited favor) paid everything for me, for you and for every person on the planet. Lastly, life for me is not about man’s glory, but the naturalist and rationalist have put man at the center of everything and have made life about man’s glory. That’s why we’re so screwed up, even in various world religions…it’s about man at the center. In my faith, it starts with the glory of God as revealed in all of creation and all of His creatures. Each one of us is a reflection of His glory, and everything in the natural world is a reflection of His amazingly creative glory. Instead of starting from the bottom up, I begin from the top down, which brings a sobriety and a humility (in the most positive sense of the word) as I recognize that the God of the universe has chosen me to bring glory to Himself and to usher His love into this world through every means possible. And you know what, it’s ok if you think I’m a fool and foolish….the Bible has already said you would think this way about me and it’s ok. :-) I bless you with all of His blessings in Jesus! Thank you for this amazing dialogue! You are a treasure!

Grandaddy in the sky

Sunday, December 25th, 2011

As long as you believe that God is a grandaddy in the sky, you will never know the true God. As long as you continue to judge that all true believers in Jesus are delusional, rather than being open minded and actually engaging them in friendship and in dialogue, you will never know the true God.As long as you compartmentalize your life into science and faith rather than being willing to see if they can overlap, you will never know God. God is the inventor of science, not man. Man is simply uncovering what God already knows and created. Man is on an exploration of what God made and what God can already do. One more things about miracles related to healings. My friend with the bullet. You say it is still in her body somewhere. Ok, maybe. BUT, how do you explain that from ONE second to the next, touching that place on her arm, which produced SCREAMS of pain if you put a feather’s weight of pressure on it, that pain was GONE and she could SLAP the arm with NO pain, and the mark of entry was GONE from one second to the next? Are you going to try to tell me that the body’s pain receptors that were injured for 12 years and one second earlier cause her to SCREAM in pain suddenly healed scientifically? Scientifically that is impossible and you know it. You want to try to explain this away, so that 1. You can be right; 2. you don’t have to admit you could be wrong, and 3. you can stay in control of your life and the world around you, and 4. so you don’t have to admit that maybe, just maybe there is a God who heals. It cannot be explained…no science will ever explain it. Therefore, there MUST be another explanation that is non-scientific….but you are so steeped in your limited ways of thinking about life and the world, that you cannot accept a non-scientific explanation for this.

Miraculous healings

Sunday, December 25th, 2011

Another thing just popped into my mind. according to you, miracles do happen (a myriad of them actually), and i am supposed to believe in them solely by giving credit to subjective experiences.

my question then: how is it that through human history, no non-believer was ever able to document a single incident, which had no other explanation but to be a miracle? you might say that god is “hidden” in some way, and would only like to help people “undercover” so to say, and not in an obvious way (otherwise someone somewhere sometime could have been able to witness and document such a thing).

so my question becomes: then why did Jesus go around healing people? that does seem like direct miracle-doing to me, which is not something a god wanting to remain hidden would do. also, there were countless deeds in the bible which would have no explanation today, so if someone parted a sea for example, scientists would have no choice but to admit that it was indeed a miracle. how come these things don’t happen today, and god’s/Jesus’ power is reduced to “appearing on toast”?

god only performing miracles which are undetectable by science, and healing people who belong in african tribes, out of reach of modern “miracle-detecting equipment” are just rationalizations. there is no sensible explanation as to why we have not detected one single miracle to date. oh, there is one: they do not happen.


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