English studies and religious objectivity

Sunday, December 25th, 2011

I want you to know that I am writing this first response here WITHOUT having read your last three entries. I am purposely not reading them before writing what I am about to write because I don’t want to write in “response” to your latest three responses, but rather some thoughts I believe the Lord brought to my mind and heart. First, I believe you said in an earlier message that you are finding the Bible to be more difficult to read and understand than you thought it would be. This does not surprise me at all. Spiritual truths can only be understood by the spirit within us. You are reading it simply as a book, without the revelation of the Holy Spirit because your spirit-man within you, at this point, is still not alive. Therefore, the spirit behind the book is nonsense to you because you cannot comprehend what God is revealing through His written word only with your intellect. Which brings me to a second, I hope related point. I remember in one of your responses that you want everything in life to be objective and tangible and measurable and anything that is not that is stupid and foolish and should not be trusted or believed in. You mentioned that subjectivity is wrong. This surprises me a bit because of the major you chose in university. You were an English studies major. My understanding of that is that you had to read many authors and their imaginative writings and thoughts which are not based on science but on subjective experience. Do you simply think they too are insane, foolish and stupid because they don’t look at the world from a naturalistic, “objective” perspective? And really, you are a living contradiction of yourself. You say everything must be objectifiable….i.e. must be scientifically measurable to be true…yet you yourself do not live that way. How do I know? Because you love. You hate. You feel. You have a personaliity. I know, I know, you will try to explain that scientists can measure the brain and see that when you love there is a chemical reaction…of course. However, why did you choose to love your girlfriend? There had to have been some subjectivity in that decision. So, to say that you live by and believe only those things which are objective is not being true or honest about your own life and the way you live. Plus,  subjectivity is ALL around us. There is both objectivity and subjectivity and one is not “better” than another, they are simply different and all a part of the great human existence.

Who is the source?

Sunday, December 25th, 2011

Here is one thing I want to respond to. You said: I’m just saying that its source is just simply not a creator, but the self-conscious beings around me, who figured it out …thanks to their intellect, which is the result of evolution, which is the result of chance….. This is exactly what I’m talking about. You refuse to take your arguments to the FINAL conclusion. You take them to the conclusion that suits you, which is that there was some matter and out of that chaotic matter over millions of years evolved into something meaningful. Where did the matter come from? You don’t have an answer. Period. You don’t know. You cannot answer that with any scientific proof, and you never will be able to because something cannot come from nothing. It must come from something. Therefore that something is what I and millions of others know beyond a shadow of a doubt is God. It has to be because there is no other logical conclusion to reach. Your logical conclusion is that matter came from nothing which completely contradicts ALL science. You cannot stop until you reach the logical conclusions of your arguments. To do so is to short-change science. Plus, I assume you did extensive research on those in the video to determine that they are not “real” scientists. You did, didn’t you? More later.

Hard-coded immorality

Sunday, December 25th, 2011

Saying there is a standard of everything, of responsibility too, is in no way contradictory to anything i believe in, i’m just saying that its source is just simply not a creator, but the self-conscious beings around me, who figured it out thanks to their intellect, which is the result of evolution, which is the result of chance. but yes, i conclude that on the whole, everything around me is pointless and meaningless (in a cosmic way that is, not in an everyday sense), and i conclude this based on the most probable explanations i can come up with while observing the word around me.

the inherent sense of morality which every living being seems to possess (not torturing one another for example) is coded into their dna (by evolution) to make sure their species survives. there is no such thing as absolute morality in the universe, but I think where there are self-conscious beings, there is morality, because otherwise their species couldn’t have evolved to the point it did. I think for us humans here on earth there are “hard-coded” immoral deeds, like baby-killing or torture for example, which make sure that out species survives, and there are “consciously learned” immoral deeds like adultery, which exist to fine-tune our society. none of these are absolute in a truly universal sense, but some of them are necessary for us to survive. morality is nothing else, but a self serving type of thing, which keeps us and our family alive, safe, and the respect that we have for others is at least partially driven by the respect and safety that we ourselves get. our sense of having, or even there being truly absolute morals is false, we only have it because we’re hard-coded with them so that we will survive.

Randomness and chaos

Sunday, December 25th, 2011

The atheist ideas you describe are 100% accurate. the formation of planets, stars, and life as we know it were an accident, a random event, or more like a consequence of there being matter in the universe. still, living, let alone self-conscious entities and their actions are no longer controlled by pure chance, but the entities themselves. i of course have the power to design, to create, because my intellect allows me. similarly, a tree has an apparent design to it, because over countless years, it adopted to its environment the best way it could, thus achieving the most optimized way of existence, which is what we see today. it looks like as if it was designed, and in a way it actually was: not by a deity, but by nature itself, by the weather conditions, by the other plants, animals, which shaped it until it became what it is today. a tree’s current design is coded into its dna, which has been evolving since it was a single-cell organism millions of years ago. what we see as design is the result of countless years of evolution.

But yes, everything that does not involve life is as random, designless and meaningless as it gets. however, “whatever anyone says or does is perfectly fine because there is no standard whatsoever for anything at all” is not true. as soon as life, let alone self-consciousness enters the picture, the whole thing becomes another story. design CAN come from chaos by pure chance. of course, chances are slim, but the universe has all the time in the world to make it happen. there doesn’t necessarily has to be a “design starting point” in order for some aspect of design to exist in our world. if I shake a box as big as the earth full of little cubes with letters on them, sooner or later I will be able to read romeo&juliet out of them. what’s that, if not order from chaos, using nothing but chance? same thing with matter. “shake” it for a long enough period of time, and they become molecules. “shake” these, too, for a long enough period of time (which the universe has plenty of), and it is highly probable that you will end up with something seemingly designed. this is similar to the infinite monkey theorem if you remember. again, design can and does come from chaos, it just needs time and luck. no, not even luck, just time, which is abundant in the universe, so something seemingly designed will always exist. there being a “me”, as in a self-conscious individual with a highly intelligent brain, is the result of that very “box-shaking”, plus evolution, which is a quasi-automated process once it gets that first nudge, which is the formation a planet with the right parameters.


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